today we kicked off the show about all the news about this smoking gun tape in the documents case of donald trump. weheard from james comey among others and tomorrow we'll hear directly from a lawyer who worked on that case. a lawyer who was in the news, who recently left that legal team, but until a few weeks ago, was representing trump in that very matter. he'll be my guest live tomorrow. i encourage you to join us. that does it for us tonight. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> we're seeing proliferating global challenges from russia's aggression and brutality to europe, to a competition with china and a whole hell of a lot in between. >> pennsylvania, we were so far

up, hundreds of thousands of votes ahead, and all of a sudden you saw that drop, what is it, 3:02 in the morning, the chart coming down, down, down. the votes are running out. bing, bing. and all of a sudden, we lose pennsylvania. >> the right continues to push fringe positions, personal grievances, and conspiracy theories, team normal lid by president biden is displaying stable leadership at home and abroad. also tonight, the right is turning the defense of the violent january 6th criminals into a movement. and as usual, kevin mccarthy is complicit. >> you might not know the name markwayne mullin. this week, the cage fighter turned republican senator said, quote, i don't want reality. and i have the thoughts about his reality-free rant about teaching children about race. but we begin tonight with the rise of team normal. thanks to president joe biden,

well, bidening, after his theory of the case in politics that bipartisanship is best actually won out last night, when the house of representatives voted to pass the debt deal he worked out with house speaker kevin mccarthy. because guess what, normal may not be flashy, but it is a winning strategy. not only did the house pass the bill to suspend the nation's debt ceiling for two years and resolve the budget in the process, it showed that normalcy can prevail over political extremism, with the bill winning a resurrounding 314 votes, carried over the line not by kevin's republicans but rather by democrats, 165 of them. the no votes came largely from the right and left flanks of both parties, and while progressives have every right to be annoyed that president biden negotiated with the loony caucus on the nation's full faith and credit at all, in the end, biden's strategy to win over house democrats and as lawrence o'donnell pointed out on this show yesterday, getting the budget out of the way in the process, worked.

and while plenty of us in the media are ready to give, well maybe not us because i ain't, ready to give kevin mccarthy his flowers for taking our economy hostage, not falling completely on his face, and relying on hakeem jeffries to get the bill passed. mccarthy himself was full of praise for biden's team after last night's vote and in particular, office of management and budget, sholaunda young. >> i will tell you, the individuals from sholaunda young to recchetti, i have the utmost respect for them. they are bright. they are tough negotiators. >> as for kevin's house republicans, the 71 maga republicans who voted against the bill are still mad that they didn't get to kick the poors and that kevin had the audacity to cut the deal with biden at l and even this not so bright crew can see he got outnegotiated and that is because joe biden actually is effective at doing this job in a low-key way that

is light on bragging but heavy on delivering for the american people. in this case, saving us from a catastrophic default. even before this w the inflation reduction act or the bipartisan infrastructure law, or the most significant gun violence reduction legislation in 30 years, again, biden ain't flashy, but he has proven time and time again he can deliver, even when some of us in the media doubt his bipartisan strategy. if he's captain of team normal, hi2024 opposition is shaping up to be a bunch of anything but. people who want to ban abortion, ban books, pardon january 6th insurrectionists, and somehow ban wokeness and also magically make people not be gay or trans anymore. and not a whole lot else. donald trump keeps proving he's unfit for office since he fomented that insurrection, got indicted on 34 felonies. was found liable for sexual abuse and defamation, and he's now under increased scrutiny from federal prosecutors over a tape of him talking about how he

kept a classified document on iran that he knew was secret and hadn't declassified. then there's ron desantis who can't even figure out how to pronounce his own last name and has no real positions on anything other than, to paraphrase 2008 joe biden, making every sentence a noun, a verb, and the word woke. when he's not cosplaying like biff from back to the future like today. >> how come you're not taking questions from voters? >> i'm talking. what are you talking about? are you blind? are you blind? >> i'm not blind. >> so people are coming up to me, talking to me, whatever they want to talk to me about. >> i'm mean anti-woke robot. and there's south carolina governor tim scott who couldn't articulate his own views on a six-week aborg ban one week after praising the one just passed in his own state. >> so would you sign a six-week abortion ban? >> thank you for asking the question twice. but here's what i would suggest. in order for us to be able to have the conversation about limits. let's start with a 40-week, do

you -- would you agree with a 40-week abortion? >> i'm a journalist. >> would you have an opinion, though. >> i'm also a woman. so i do have an opinion, yes. >> of course. i do, too. >> as for the other candidates, i don't even know what nikki haley's purpose in this campaign is, frankly, except to join asa hutchinson as potentially viable in the 2014 extinct version of the republican party, but it's about to get even more crowded. next week, former new jersey governor chris christie is expected to toss his hat in, presumably for being the sole purpose of being a grenade aimed at donald trump. and mike pence. but the challenge for all of these people is that president biden is the actual president, the incumbent, and he is delivering actual results. none of them have offered a thing to vote for, and as the

old saying goes, you can't beat something with nothing. joining me now is jen psaki, former white house press secretary and host of inside with jen psaki, sundays at noon eastern right here on msnbc, and charlie sykes, editor at large at the bulwark, who has the disadvantage of being away from us, but ladies first. jen, you know, i do feel like biden has this misunderestimated thing where people assume, oh, he's too old, he doesn't know what he's doing, and then he keeps delivering. today, he tripped over, i guess there was a sandbag, and twitter and the right are going crazy. >> it's currently dominating fox news primetime. >> the most important thing in the world. first of all, donald trump is 76, he's not exactly young. and you know, it's the advance team or whoever's fault that they put a sandbag in front of him. i trip in my own house. what do you think it is about joe biden? is he so enraging to the right because he is so normal? what do you think it is about him that drives them nuts? >> if you look back to 2020,

they were trying to figure out how to take them out. they can't make him extreme. they can't really make him offensive. i mean, one, he's a white man who's older, so you know, he is comfortable to many in their base. but i think also, they have underestimated him in many times. you just said, as many people have, that's not necessarily a disadvantage to joe biden. i worked for him for a year and a half. he's always been underestimated. he's got a little bit of a chip on his shoulder because of that. that can serve you well. i think they're trying to throw a lot of spaghetti at the wall to try to take him down. so far, they haven't quite figured it out. that's why when you talked to republican strategists in 2020, they said we don't really want it to be joe biden. >> the thing is, charlie, there's a reason why donald trump was willing to try to bribe the president of ukraine to not make it joe biden, to destroy joe biden. because i think he understands he actually is more like donald trump's base than donald trump or certainly ron desantis,

harvard and yale. here he is, ron desantis today. because he's trying to sort of scale himself as i'm the working class man's hero that's going to somehow make wokeness disappear from the white house, but here he is actually being himself. here he is. >> leadership at the end of the day, it's not about entertainment. it's not about building a brand. it's not about virtue signaling. it's about producing results. >> sorry, that was yesterday, but every day is basically the same day with ron desantis. the reality is, all he does is virtue signal. he has no policies in florida on insurance, taxes, you know, price of rent. all he does is virtue signal, woke, woke, woke, woke, ban books, ban books, woke. that is virtue signaling. i don't understand what he is other than that. that ain't working class. >> also, i'm glad that jen highlighted what's going on over at fox news right now because it is absolutely essential for them

to run joe biden falling down on a loop, because they don't want to focus on what's been playing out over the last week. i mean, joe biden had a very, very good week, being president of the united states, being misunderestimated. having a deal that looks better all the time. now, there are those of us like me who said he should have used his bully pulpit. he actually played the inside game very effectively. we're not going to have a default. we don't have a crisis at the border, and so it's very important to distract attention from that, but also to the point you're making about normal versus crazy. now, i know that most people want to live their lives, especially going into the weekend, you don't want to spend time reading tweets or bleats from truth social by donald trump, but if you actually paid attention to him on a daily basis, you are seeing someone who is decompensating, who is becoming more deranged almost bike the day.

if this was the kind of thing that you saw a family member or a coworker doing, you would ask for intervention. you would make a wellness call on all of this. but the republicans do have this problem, they would love for next year to be a referendum on joe biden. in fact, it might be a referendum on do you want normal or more of the exhausting craziness you're seeing right now? because this is really a pretty dramatic moment. and you know, if it is in fact donald trump, i think a lot of people are going to go, okay, we just can't do this anymore. no matter what. so the contrast this week was pretty dramatic i thought. >> and i think the other piece is, and i will say this to both of you, i think that because of the conversation that the right kind of drives, you would think that more people than actually in the real world sit around thinking about wokeness. i promise you, they don't. >> no. >> i think the right has -- >> they can't even define it. >> they also don't think about it. i don't think parents in the

real world are thinking, oh, my god, i can't let the bluest eye be red by my child. they don't know what their kids are reading in school. i think, because even if it's not trump, let's say it's tim scott, what is tim scott for? they're all -- all of their ideas are about changing society. about changing the way society acts. a president can't do that. biden is like, i'm going to get you some money, i'm going to get you some student loan relief, which republicans right now are voting to overturn right now, and he's going to veto it. who are young people going to say is on their side? him. >> exactly, look, i often think about i'm not in their campaigns, blissfully, but who are they listening to? who do they think -- who is telling them that anti-woke or elitism, which was another big tic calling card for ron desantis this week, is what people care about. i can tell how how joe biden gets his information, even in

the white house, he would go home every weekend to delaware, he would go to church every saturday. after church, he would talk to people and come back to the white house and say to us, so-and-so doesn't understand what our rules are on covid. so-and-so is like, really concerned and doesn't understand what the debt limit is. he would talk to normal real people. he would see at church, who would tell him, and sometimes they were thangs that were critical of his administration. they're running a campaign based on twitter, based on truth social, based on fund-raising, based on getting more likes. it's disconnected from the country, to your point. and people who are struggling to put food on the table, to get health care, to make sure their kids are getting an education and can pay for an education. and that is the root of their problem, who they're listening to. >> the thing about it is, ron brown steen, who i think is brilliant, wrote a great piece that talked about the gray versus the brown. as republicans are out to sort of speak to the needs of older,

whiter people. but if you talk to younger people, the things they complain about in real life, that my kids complain about, who are gen y and again january z, i can't afford rent, is biden getting the student loan thing fixed? it's very important to them. younger people care about the policy. is he going to do something on guns? so younger people are actually the ones who care about policy. and to the extent they're critical of biden, it's because he hasn't gotten enough policy done for them, but the other side, let me give you an example. this is mr. i don't do branding and virtue signaling. here is who ron desantis -- he doesn't know how to pronounce his last name, it's either desantis or desantis. joseph is his surgeon general in the state of florida. a couple things he's done. he says it's a lie that masks save lives. he's altered key findings on the covid vaccine study.

he misrepresented research about gender affirming care, and here he is standing with a woman called stella emanuel in front of the supreme court, peddling hydroxychloroquine during the pandemic. she believes that scientists are creating a vaccine to stop people from being religious and that health problems are caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. >> wow. >> that's who he stood with. that's who ron desantis decided ought to be florida's top surgeon. >> just asking questions. it is interesting, by the way, that ron desantis is now attacking donald trump from the right on the whole issue of vaccines. criticizing donald trump for a very, very interesting flex there, sometimes listening to both desantis and trump, though, to your point about the way they keep talking about woke, you almost need a decoding ring to understand what it is they're talking about. you have to be so deep in that bubble of fox news or the

conservative twitter to understand exactly what they are talking about, because they're talking to one another. and what is interesting right now is that you have a lot of the energy that's going on, on the right, aimed at attacking one another. i thought it was interesting that donald trump is making fun of ron desantis for talking about woke. did you see that? >> yes. >> what does woke mean? i have no idea why he keeps talking about all this. what you're about to see, i think a lot of people thought it was going to be a kabuki dance, but watch the way in which the maga is cracking up. the way in which they're turning their obsessions against one another, pushing themselves further and further to the right. and using language and raising issues that have nothing to do with people's lives. i mean, it is people who believe what is online is the real life, so instead of going to churches and asking people, what do you

actually care about, they're using these code words, these buzz words, this virtue signaling to one another. and as a result, getting themselves whipped up to the extent when we get to the general election, people will go, who are you, what are you talking about? how does this relate to anything in the actual world we live in? >> and the thing about it is, while they're doing that, because i think charlie is right, they're listening to each other and fighting to get to the right of each other. they have gone so far to the right they're now at 6-week abortion bans. >> it's hard to get back. >> half the population have now been told by them, by even the ones who sound friendly like tim scott, you have no rights as far as i'm concerned. you want to talk about grooming, 10-year-old girls should be forced to give birth to their rapists' child. they're ignoring the peril they have put themselves in. they only listen to each other, so they think a national abortion ban is good policy.

>> that's exactly right, joy. they're running as charlie just said, tare running against each other, they're trying to outright each other. >> exactly. >> on abortion, that's such a perfect example. apportion bans, a six-week abortion ban, which is basically an abortion ban, let's call it what it is. even beyond that, ron desantis has been talking about skirting article 2 of the constitution and expanding power beyond his predecessors. that is crazy. that is going beyond trump and trying to seize more power than trump did. by the way, he got away with a lot. so that is exactly what we're seeing. it's scary. but it is going to be hard for them, whomever the nominee, if it's not trump, which we'll all be surprised, whoever it is, to come back from that. because women in this country do not want a six-week abortion ban or an abortion ban, which is what it is. >> the bottom line is if you're legislating, making it illegal to cross state lines, you're now in under his eye territory. you have told of a country what

you stand for is banning books, is forcing little girls to give birth and potentially die giving birth, i mean, they're tripping over themselves to become more unelectable than each other. the thing about it is, charlie, the ones who are semi-normally have no shot. there isn't a normi who could get the nomination. they're trapped in a feedback loop and i don't see how they get out. >> i don't see how they get out. the normis will make a lot of noise, but this is a republican party that right now is still wholly owned subsidiary of trump world, and it will be until that changes. i don't see that changing any time. to jen's point, i don't know how you dial this back in a general election campaign. >> you know what normis get? the debt ceiling done. they all got together and said, we're going to go ahead and pay our credit card bill. you yell about what you want. >> with the marxist, communist, socialist joe biden.

suddenly they're dealing with him and compromising with him. i don't think that's really settled in yet. >> by the way, if he's a falling down 80-year-old that doesn't know where his pants are, he's still beating you. think about what you're saying about you. you're saying oh, look, he fell. he fell while beating you. jen psaki and charlie sykes, i mean, come on. make it make sense. be logical. thank you all very much. don't miss inside with jen psaki, a fabulous show, sundays at noon eastern right here on msnbc. you can also catch new original episodes every thursday, exclusively, on peacock. up next, from pardon to promises of -- to promises to unhinged conspiracy theories, how the right is trying to turn january 6th defendants into heroic patriots. "the reidout" continues after this. we switched to liberty mutual and saved $652. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. with the money we saved, we thought we'd try electric unicycles. whoa! careful, babe!

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there is no other way to see what happened on january 6th or than for what it was, a heinous and vile want attack on our capitol hill and our very democracy by a mob of donald trump supporters with the clear intention of trying to forcibly keep a losing outgoing president in power. that is unless you're a republican who has embraced ininsurrectionists' cause, trying to turn rioters into

patriots and heroes. and an attempt to overthrow an election into a movement. we learned yesterday from congresswoman marjorie taylor greene that house speaker kevin mccarthy is poised to hand over the january 6th security videos, the same 40,000 hours of footage they gave to now fired fox host tucker carlson earlier this year to even farther right conspiracy trump allies. mccarthy is letting new people take a crack at it. you also have the two leading republican presidential candidates talking about pardoning some of those very insurrectionists if either wins next year. trump even recorded a song with some of the jailed january 6th rioters and played it during at least one of his presidential rallies. it's no wonder we continue to see protests in support of those insurrectionists including outside the d.c. jail where many of them are being held. the latest one on memorial day, rife with conspiracy theories

including that u.s. capitol police officer brian sicknick, who died after responding on january 6th, was actually killed by the capitol police and not as a result of the insurrectionists' bear spraying and assaulting him. joining me is sandra garza, longtime partner of brian sicknick who did die in the aftermath of the january 6th violence. i have to get your reaction to that protest on of all days memorial day, that had these people lionizing the insurrectionists. >> it was very shocking to me. i could not believe they would be that brazen to even make a statement like that. clearly, brian, his poor body was stressed to the limit that day because of the actions of what they all did that day. so it was very shocking. it was staggering. and it was really, really upsetting to me. i just couldn't believe it. i couldn't believe it. and i actually was notified

about all of this because i created a twitter account, finally, and there are some good people out there. and on twitter, and they notified me of all of this. because i never would have known about it had they not notified me of this. they sent me some links and videos. that's actually how i learned about it. but i was shocked. i was really shocked, joy. >> some of the images you see, they have taken brian sicknick's face, officer sicknick's face, and put it on a sign claiming he was killed by the police. i mean, first of all, it's an affront to the capitol police officers who were the heroes, to try to claim that he was also -- he was killed by a fellow police officer. they're also walking around with signs with ashli babbitt doing the same thing. i want to play what donald trump said today, talking about ashli babbitt. >> they shot ashli babbitt for no reason whatsoever.

they shot. a thug, he was a thug who shot her. it's a disgrace. the way they have treated those people, and everywhere i go, somebody brings up the whole j-6 situation, the way they treated those people. you watch what happens. you watch what happens. >> and i will note that the officer who shot ashli babbitt, because she was trying to smash into the speaker's lounge, is african american, so we know donald trump reserves the term thug for plaque folks usually. ashli babbitt's mother was at the protest, striking a counterprotesting and smashing a megaphone for which she was arrested on tuesday and charged with simple assault and destruction of property. that's the mother of ashli babbitt. at this stage, she is also being held up as some sort of a hero. >> right. >> how do you respond to that? >> well, first of all, there's no excuse for violence, period.

i don't excuse her actions at all. i feel obviously, i feel bad for her. she's a grieving mother. she lost her daughter. but there's no excuse for that. there's no excuse for that at all. she needs to pull it together. and regardless of what her personal feelings are, that's not okay. she can't be out there attacking people. i feel she is being used as a political pawn. i feel she's being lied to by donald trump and others, so i do feel bad for her in that regard. but there's no excuse for her to be hitting people and attacking people. >> i'm going to play one more piece of video. this is marjorie greene, who i don't like playing but we're going to play her saying what i think is the dumbest thing i probably have heard about january 6th. here it is. >> you see, this should never happen. the federal government should never be weaponized against the people and set up honey pots and traps to draw people in and

actually take part in making these people commit crimes and then framing the people to set up a narrative against a president. it's wrong. and i believe that's what happened on january 6th. >> okay, that's idiotic. you know, the thing that i will note, what brings all of this together, is that none of these people who talk about january 6th ever speak about the loss of life of police officers, the police officers that were injured, the dozens and dozens who ended up in the hospital, and of course, your loved one who ended up dead. have you noticed that, as somebody whose partner was a police officer? they never talk about what they suffered? >> yes y have. and i find it despicable, particularly since these are leaders of our country. and they won't acknowledge the loss of life, the heroism of these officers. or the other people that were just hurt that day. >> yeah. >> there were staffers in there, there was innocent people. the people who clean the building that had to clean up

feces and urine. i mean, this is unacceptable. i just -- i cannot wrap my head around it, how they can get away with doing this. joy, it really is upsetting to me, and it's not fair to these people. but particularly obviously i'm more passionate and upset about the way brian has been treated. brian has been spit on, mistreated. he supported trump. trump has never called me. he's never called brian's family. he's never acknowledged brian's heroism. he's never acknowledged that he died. like you were just saying. so it's very, very upsetting. >> and it's incredibly offensive that he would acknowledge ashli babbitt, who you know, it's sad that she's dead, but she was trying to hurt people. but not acknowledge brian sicknick, who lay in state in our capitol as a hero and for the former president of the united states, and any of these members of congress to not even

acknowledge him, and just ignore that sacrifice. >> and he was a hero. >> absolutely. >> he defended democracy, he defended lots of people that day, protected them. and yeah, it's very sickening. >> as somebody who has to do a lot of stories about police who do things that are not great, those officers were absolutely heroes. absolutely 100% heroes and they deserve those medals of honor they got from congress and not the people who voted against it. moment ago, senate majority leader chuck schumer announced he has locked in the votes to pass the debt ceiling bill. the senate is now voting on 11 amendments with final passage of the debt ceiling bill coming later tonight. up next -- >> the reality is -- >> you think this is -- >> can she answer the question please? >> i don't want reality. i'm asking the question, which one is better? that's exactly what it is. >> reality check, like so many of his right-wing colleagues, senator markwayne mullin doesn't

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maisha: shared leadership has to do with... michael: acknowledging parents as equal partners. narrator: california's community schools. grant: community schools lift the voices of folks that have traditionally not been heard whether they're parents, students, community groups. john: it's shared decision-making with parents. they're saying that these are the priorities that they want to see for their kids. wendy: it allows us to create the school that our students deserve. rafael: community schools are innovative, and they're working. narrator: california's community schools: reimagining public education. hearings on capitol hill sometimes include let's just say odd moments. but yesterday, we saw something just straight up bizarre during a hearing of the senate's health education labor and pensions committee when one republican senator decided to go after a children's book. >> i have a book here in front

of me called "our skinquy that has been endorsed by nacy, and i'm going to read exactly what this book says. you guys might find it interesting. a long time ago, way before you were born, a group of white people made up an idea called race. they sorted people by skin color and said that white people were better, smarter, prettier, and they deserved more than everybody else. this would be taught if we socialize our pre-k system. >> you disagree with the findings in that book? >> 1,000%. how about we teach jesus loved me. jesus loves the little children. the lyrics go red and yellow, black and white. they're all precious in our sight. someone pointed to me this being a truth that white people developed race. that white people developed that. that all of a sudden that was our word that we developed.

>> the shouty gentleman demanding to know whether it's better to teach jesus loves me, a christian children's song, or our skin, a first conversation about race which is a children's book about race, is markwayne mullin, a former cage fighter turned republican senator from oklahoma, who i should note, claims cherokee heritage and pointed that out in the hearing. kind of a dumb question, though, right? you wouldn't teach a jesus song in a public elementary school because it's not sunday school, not church, it's a school, and there are likely kids in the school who aren't christian, don't know who jesus is and don't care. and their parents who might be jewish or muslim or atheist, have a right to not have their children's teachers teach the jesus to them, the other reason why what the senator said was dumb, is the scary book he waved around is correct on the facts. allow me to quote the historians from the smithsonian museum of

african american history and culture. quote, before the mid1600s there's no evidence that the english referred to themselves as being white people. this concept did not occur until 1613, when the english society first encountered and contrasted themselves against the east indians through their colonial pursuits. even then, there was not a large body of people who considered themselves white, as we know the term today. from about the 1550s to 1600, white was exclusively used to describe elite english women because the whiteness of their skin signaled that they were persons of a high social class who did not go outside to labor. however, the term white did not refer to elite englishmen because the idea that men did not leave their homes to work could signal they were lazy, sick, or unproductive. european colonists use of the word white to refer to people who looked like themselves grew to become entangled with the

word race and slave in the american colonies in the mid-1660s. these elites created races of savage indians, subhuman africans, and white men. the social invention succeeded in uniting the white colonists, dispossessing and marginalizing native people and permanently enslaving most african american descended people for generations. unquote. so the answer to your silly question, senator, the book best used -- the book that's best to use if you want to talk to kids about race is the actual book about race that's grounded in historical fact, because trust me, kids know that race is a thing, but feel free to sing the jesus song to your kids add home. when we come back, we'll talk about the right's war on reality from fictional mermaids to the backlash over pride month. that's next.

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. it is the first day of pride month. happy pride, everyone. but this year is a particularly dangerous time for the lgbtq community in america. not only do you have states creating laws that ban drag, lgbtq themed books, any mention of a person's sexual identity at school and gender affirming care, but they have seen a relentless war against any company that supports pride. this year, target is facing a

backlash, a veritable online driven army of karens and tuckers are going into stores and harassing employees to punish the stores for selling children's clothes with rainbows on them, claiming they're promoting satanism and grooming. bud light is also getting backlash after sending dylan mulvaney cans of beer with her face on them. she posted a tiktok with those beers celebrating her first year of womanhood, which caused the right to freak out and boycott the company. the sad part is some of these companies are caving. target has already pulled some of the pride themed items from their stores and don't think others won't follow suit because any corporation who sees this and thinks my employees' safety and my bottom line will be hurt. joining me is toure, as well as the new podcast being black, the '80s, that is out today.

we're going to talk about that, and brandon wolf, press secretary for equality florida, and survivor of the pulse nightclub shooting. brandon, i want to start with you first because this is a challenging year for pride. because it does feel like there is a war against the lgbtq community. is that how you see it? >> yeah, thank you so much. first of all, happy pride. it does feel weird to say that, being in florida right now. i promise you, it is legal for me to say happy pride in ron desantis' florida, for now. but check back with me in six months and we'll see. you're right, i mean, we're experiencing not just an assault on lgbtq people but an assault on freedom in this country. and i want to say that really clearly for people, that this is not simply an assault on freedom for lgbtq people. it is an assault on basic fundamental civil liberties in service to a right-wing faction in this country that actually doesn't believe in the word freedom at all. for them, freedom, like

democracy, is conditional. you have medical freedom, so long as we approve of what care you're receiving and when. you have academic freedom so long as you're studying what we tell you to and reading the propagandized history we have approved. you have the right to vote so long as you're on their team. you have freedom of speech unless you're a multinational corporation who dares to affirm your support for lgbtq people. across the country, we're watching as the lgbtq community is simply being used as a proxy for the war for control that is being waged by the right wing. that's why it's not just up to the

>> so that means it's just

>> right wing backlash is a lagging indicator of society. they would not be fighting so hard to take away people's right to vote if so many people that they didn't want voting had the right to vote. they would not be trying so hard to ban books about queer people if there weren't more books with queer people in them than before. they wouldn't hate people like dylan mulvaney if they weren't hired by sponsors. i think it's a good reminder the right wing is fighting because they know they have already lost the culture war. for me, that's a reminder this pride season that pride, yes, is about the parades, the party, the corporate logos, all of the things it has become known for today, but it remains a protest. remember, pride began as a protest against government intimidation and conformity to gender clothing. that's the birth of pride as we know it today.

we have to get back to those roots and remind people, not only can we win, but we're already winning. >> toure, you have this great podcast coming up that's going to talk about the '80s. i might have been in high school in the '80s. it's an interesting thing because there's a generational divide. if you even just look at the lgbtq community, more younger people identify as lgbtq relative to people who are like gen x. talk a little bit about how culture and music and what you're going to be talking about on your podcast ties into these shifts in culture. >> what we're doing in being black, the '80s, is talking about the big political issues of the '80s through the lens of songs. there's one episode that fits into this really well. we talk about diana ross' i'm coming out, which was constructed to be a gay anthem like i'm black and i'm proud. it's part of this disco movement. late '70s disco was gigantic and that really helped propel the gay liberation effort that kicks off in the '80s on another level. there was fighting in the '70s,

but in the '80s, it goes to another level. one person i interviewed came out to his father in the mid-'70s and his father said that's fine, but i don't know any happy gay adults. and as the flowering of disco was more comfortable to be gay. >> absolutely. and the '70s, and i'm fascinated by the '70s, '60s, '70s, and '80s are fascinating eras. and there's pretty darn good music in that era as well. toure, brandon wolf, happy pride. we're going to make it happy. they can't stop our happy. we'll be right back. that's right, thank you very can see if it may qualify for a payroll tax refund much, we'll be right back. with its forms and submit the application. go to getrefunds.com to learn more.

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